David Goldfarb on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
I don’t know — I’d say that really good chocolate is better than bad sex, but not as good as really good sex.
I am pleased to see correct attitude towards white chocolate. (When we’re in a grocery store and we come across some white chocolate, Katie will sometimes take up the white chocolate and threaten me with it because she thinks it’s funny to see me cringe.)
Graeme on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
I must say I found this piece rather sexist. Where are the gingerbread women?
rpuchalsky on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
I liked this one.
By the way, I highly recommend an album by The Residents, _Gingerbread Man_. It concerns nine characters, their failed lives, and a sinister gingerbread man who unifies the album, his “you can’t catch me” representing the elusiveness of human happiness.
Ben on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
I am pleased to see correct attitude towards white chocolate. (When we’re in a grocery store and we come across some white chocolate, Katie will sometimes take up the white chocolate and threaten me with it because she thinks it’s funny to see me cringe.)
Blashpemer!
There’s no “Like Really Good White Chocolate Heaven” because that would be redundant. White chocolate IS heaven, in every delicious bite.
Solarbird on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
Ben says:
White chocolate IS heaven, in every delicious bite.
Wow! I think I’ve just encountered the Platonic ideal of wrongness! I don’t see how this could be more wrong.
I mean, even the name is a lie! White chocolate is not chocolate in any way. Much less is it good.
Congratulations! Wrongness that perfect is difficult to attain! ^_^
philomory on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
Ben says:
White chocolate IS heaven, in every delicious bite.
Wow! I think I’ve just encountered the Platonic ideal of wrongness! I don’t see how this could be more wrong.
I mean, even the name is a lie! White chocolate is not chocolate in any way. Much less is it good.
Congratulations! Wrongness that perfect is difficult to attain! ^_^
Actually, if white chocolate cannot be good then ‘really good white chocolate’ is a logical contradiction. If that’s the case, then “Really good white chocolate is heaven” is a logical truth, tautological if you will. I can even give you the symbolic derivation! But I won’t, unless you ask me.
Of course, the statement “Really good white chocolate is hell,” or, “…is a categorical imperative” or “is Buddha”, are all also tautologically true. Contradictions beget absolutely everything being true! Hooray for logical contradictions!
In any case, that’s of only academic interest. I myself find white chocolate quite delicious! And I defy you to present a reasoned argument that my previous sentence was false. If you can, really can, go get a Ph.D. in philosophy.
If you persist in saying that anyone who says white chocolate is good is an example of Platonic Wrongness, just because you find it distasteful, why, you are simply a closed-minded bigot! Shame on you!
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Hey kids! What logical fallacies have I engaged in? Remember, fallacies are different from fellatio!
ADamiani on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
So you’rs argument is that a logical contradiction implies that all other statements are not only true but tautological?
This I want to see.
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As to disproving the statement “I myself find white choocolate quite delicious,” I propose that the most philosophically interesting approach would to be to argue for the nonexistance of the concept of ‘self,’ thus precluding any possibility of that self reaching any finding anything, much less a finding as preposterous the deliciousness of white chocolate.
philomory on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
So you’rs argument is that a logical contradiction implies that all other statements are not only true but tautological?
Sorry, I miswrote concerning the word tautological there. Specifically, a contradiction does not so much imply that everything else is not only true but tautological. Instead, given any contradiction and some other statement, it is a tautology that the contradiction implies the other statement.
This I want to see.
For the record, I’m proving something slightly different than what Ben wrote. First of all for simplicity’s sake, I’m reducing “is really good” to “is good.” It’s just much easier to write it that way, since while Ben used ‘really good’, Solarbird used ‘good’. I take it as acceptable that anything that’s really good is also good.
Second of all, I’m interpreting Ben’s statement “Really good white chocolate is heaven” as saying, “1. There does exist good white chocolate,” and “2. Anything that is good white chocolate is also heaven.” I have to make some translation here; that’s the easiest one for the sake of writing this. I don’t want it to be too long.
So what I’m assuming is Solarbird’s statement that there does not exist good white chocolate, and the first half of Ben’s statement, that there *does* exist good white chocolate, and I am proving that good white chocolate is heaven.
I first began to write the proof using predicate logic, but it’s not necessary. Which is good, because predicate logic is much more time consuming.
Also, normally the negation operator is the tilde symbol (~). However, in the code segment, that symbol is unfortunately nearly impossible to distinguish from a dash. So I’ve had to replace it with the carat symbol (^). That’s very nonstandard, but there you go.
[code:1:b51ed99858”>
B: There does exists good white chocolate.
C: Good white chocolate is heaven.
1 | ^B A (Solarbird)
2 | B A (Ben)
|——–
3 | | ^C A
| |—–
4 | | B 2, R
5 | | ^B 1, R
|
6 | C 3-5, ^E
[/code:1:b51ed99858”>
Translating this back from symbolic logic into English, it says:
1) We assume that there is no such thing as good white chocolate (because Solarbird said so).
2) We assume that there is such a thing as good white chocolate (because Ben said so).
Given those two things:
…3) Assume, temporarily, that: It is not the case that good white chocolate is heaven.
…Given that:
…4) There does exist good white chocolate, by step 1, reiteration.
…5) It is not the case that there exists good white chocolate, by step 2, reiteration.
…This is a contradiction, however.
…Therefore, our assumption on line 3 must be false.
6) Good white chocolate is heaven, by steps 3 through 5, negation elimination.
This is a textbook example of negation elimination, really.
To prove anything else you like (such as that the moon reminds you of your grandmother), substitute whatever you like as the translation of ‘C’.
There are many other ways you could interpret the argument between Ben and Solarbird, which would lead to differently structured proofs and differently worded conclusions, but many of them would (or could) prove the same things. For example, here’s a summary of another way to interpret this:
Premise: There does not exist x where both x is good and x is white chocolate.
Conclusion: For all x, if x is both good and x is white chocolate, then x is also heaven.
I’m not giving the proof for that, but hopefully you can see how it might work.
Hooray for symbolic logic!
philomory on November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am said:
As to disproving the statement “I myself find white choocolate quite delicious,” I propose that the most philosophically interesting approach would to be to argue for the nonexistance of the concept of ‘self,’ thus precluding any possibility of that self reaching any finding anything, much less a finding as preposterous the deliciousness of white chocolate.
Feel free to have at it, then. Make your argument. I dare you.
For myself, I’m going to argue that I can validly say, “Good white chocolate may not exist for you, but it does for me.” The reason I can validly say this is that such a statement is not subject to the relativist fallacy. Because the word ‘good’ is used here not to describe an ethical quality but a quality of experience (in this case, the appreciability of a flavor), it’s applicability is as a subjective matter of taste rather than an objective matter of fact. The relativist fallacy does not apply to subjective ‘facts’.
In doing this, of course, I am arguing only against Solarbird’s assertion that Ben gives an example of Platonic Wrongness. Ben’s other assertion, that really good white chocolate not only exists, but is heaven, I leave for him to deal with himself.